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September 25

German parody

I came across a recording here of Max Ehrlich delivering a parody of Alexander Moissi, who I came across during one of my earliest collaborations on WP, Busoni's Turandot Suite: but what is he saying? The info says "Textvorlagen: Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832), Friedrich Schiller (1759-1805)", with a link to DNB which also mentions Albert Bassermann and Max Pallenberg, but these might be red herrings. Any ideas? MinorProphet (talk) 02:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After an introduction he starts with a famous monologue from Schiller's Wilhelm Tell (act 4, scene 3). As far as I can tell the text is original, but the delivery is very exaggerated. I don't have time right now to listen to the rest, maybe tonight. --Wrongfilter (talk) 13:27, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The declamation of the monologue ends at 1:15. What follows is a dialogue between Alexander Moissi and Guido Tielscher, who appear very clueless about Schiller's play. For instance, they understand the "Hohle Gasse" (a sunken lane) to be an underground railway, and they respond to Küssnacht, which could be literally translated as "kiss night", by "I'd rather kiss by day". Goethe appears in part 2 (Der König in Thule), and that is indeed a parody of Bassermann and Pallenberg. --Wrongfilter (talk) 14:46, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wrongfilter: Thanks very much indeed for your knowledgeable insights. Just looking at de:Guido Thielscher's photo makes me laugh, he was obviously possessed of a wicked sense of humour. Thanks also for the link to part 2. Goethe used his "König in Thule" poem in Faust, Part 1. It appears that both Bassermann[1] and Pallenberg[2] appeared as Mephisto in productions of Faust by Max Reinhardt. I recognised Pallenberg's name from Reinhardt's massive 1911 pantomine-spectacle The Miracle (play) (article badly needs updating), but not in the film of the play The Miracle (1912 film) (another of my early collaborations), the world's first full-colour feature film. MinorProphet (talk) 12:26, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 28

Examples of violent movie scenes that weren't actually that violent

Two examples that spring to mind are the shower scene in Psycho and the chainsaw scene (which also happens in a shower) in Scarface. If you rewatch them, you don't actually see metal entering flesh, but it's edited in such a clever manner that you think that you saw more graphic gore and mutilation on-screen than you did. I've seen discussions online where people swear that they saw something they didn't and that these movies must have been censored for violence after the fact. Amazing filmmaking, I must say. But can anyone tell me some other examples? Iloveparrots (talk) 00:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prior to the mid or late 1960s, movies and TV shows with violent scenes seldom had any apparent penetration or any blood. Some guy would fire a gun and the other guy would immediately drop dead, with no blood. Most any western would do for that example. I'm thinking of the scene in "Fort Apache", where the Indians surround Henry Fonda's character and kill him, but with no closeup or slo-mo or anything like that. More recently, I'm thinking of "West Side Story", where the gang members were stabbing each other with switchblades, again with the victims falling over dead immediately after one knife stab but little or no blood. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, consider how fistfights were and are filmed, with guys seemingly slugging each other but filmed from an angle that allows the actors to "swing and miss" but to look like they could be making contact. Though there were occasional slipups. In one "Superman" episode, Frank Richards took a swing at Phyllis Coates, who was standing too close to him and he actually knocked her out. Oops! ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:19, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is difficult in two ways: what blood and gore actually features in any given movie? (Censorship boards may help with that.) What do people generally misremember happening in it? That one is hard to source. I found 13 horrific moments of implied violence in movies, which is the same sort of idea, although in some cases it's plainly implicit, and in many others (Reservoir Dogs!) the movie has lots of blood in it elsewhere. Card Zero (talk) 03:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was also 1967's "Bonnie and Clyde", which I haven't seen for a long time, but as I recall it was an early use of slo-mo along with little explosions to depict them being riddled with bullets. In contrast, the old movie "The Big Sleep", as I recall, had the villain run out the door yelling in vain to his men not to shoot. You didn't see any bullets hit him, but they penetrated the door he had closed behind him. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See all 'A-Team Firing' on TVTropes which talks about the trope of everyone shooting but no-one actually dying. 'Bloodless Carnage' where no entrance or exit wounds or even blood is shown. And also 'Non-Lethal Warfare' Nanonic (talk) 12:24, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tarantino explained that violence is more violent if you don't show it. That is why he pans away or shuts a door when he wants something to be extremely unsettling. He was praised by critics by panning away in Reservoir Dogs and shutting the door in Pulp Fiction, but he wanted to explain that it was a trick that was around for decades before he copied it in his films. When it comes down to it, your imagination is far more revolting than anything that can be put on film. 12.116.29.106 (talk) 12:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just watched the 1917 version of "Murder on the Orient Express". The depiction of the murder is very powerful, but actually shows no actual vision of a knife entering the body. HiLo48 (talk) 11:44, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1917? Deor (talk) 14:00, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 3

Disney+ removing films and tv shows

Does films and tv shows have to removed from Disney+ to cut costs? And have there been complaints about it? If there have been, what was their response? 86.130.9.101 (talk) 19:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you try asking them yourself? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They don't exactly have an email address for queries from random people. And even if they did, they wouldn't give an answer to a question like this. --Viennese Waltz 08:18, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disney+ does live chat <http:/help.disneyplus.com/en-GB/contact-us/getting-started?target=|chat>. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. 2A04:4A43:861F:F549:8934:3F66:3E44:4966 (talk) 13:35, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is not free to store programming for streaming. It costs money. If a program is not profitable, don't host it. Disney+ isn't the only company that continually curates the available library of programming. Iger states in the Q2 earnings report that due to a large loss in subscribers, they would be removing programming to save money. What I found interesting is that they pay a contractual penalty for not hosting some programs. The report states that the penalties for non-hosting will be less than the savings for removing programming. 68.187.174.155 (talk) 13:56, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coincidentally or otherwise, it also fits with their long-standing practice of periodically re-releasing their older films, and then pulling them back after some stretch of time. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So they do have to remove them just to cut the costs? And what about the complaints and their responses? 86.130.9.101 (talk) 21:13, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you file a complaint yourself, whatever response you get (if any) would likely represent their typical response. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:10, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was asking 68.187.174.155. 86.130.9.101 (talk) 22:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good luck! ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:02, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You don't have to file a complaint yourself - see the IPv6's comment above. 2.101.241.55 (talk) 14:00, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That post is by a banned user, so there's a good chance you are that same banned user. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:35, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 5

Emilio Estevez

Why din't he use the name "sheen"? It could be Eric Sheen or something anglicized. Sportsnut24 (talk) 02:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See the last paragraph of Emilio Estevez#Early life. Rojomoke (talk) 06:44, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yet charlie/carlos din't. Weird.

Also he's from europe originally? thought they were hispanic from mexico or something.Sportsnut24 (talk) 01:20, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What I wanna know is: How come he and everyone else says his name ɛˈstɛvəs/, with the accent on the first syllable, when his father's legal name is Estévez, which has the accent on the second? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:59, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

People can pronounce their name however they choose. Ramón Estévez (aka 'Martin Sheen'), though born in the USA, was raised by his immigrant Spanish father Francisco Estévez (not the person of that name who has a Wikipedia article), so may have grown up using a European pronunciation. Emilio was one generation further on in US residence, so may have been more comfortable with (or merely gave in to) a pronunciation more common in the Americas.

This is of course speculation: perhaps the answer is buried in one of the many references used in their articles. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 18:13, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 6